From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as WM Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:39:22 +0300 Message-ID: <837g24cwut.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87vbprtbp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87iolqr05k.wl%andres.ramirez@kipuamutay.com> <83mwb1dfmg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bnrha757.wl%andres.ramirez@kipuamutay.com> <87siktp9x3.fsf@gmail.com> <83egwdci46.fsf@gnu.org> <83d2bwcyu7.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1408462805 31334 80.91.229.3 (19 Aug 2014 15:40:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tom Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 19 17:39:59 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XJlVu-0006Nv-M7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:39:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51694 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJlVu-0005FB-9E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:39:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42850) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJlVa-0005E9-Pm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:39:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJlVU-0003iT-Rr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:39:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:51268) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJlVU-0003iK-JR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:39:32 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NAK00C008LXIS00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:39:30 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NAK00CDN8TSJ100@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:39:28 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:173768 Archived-At: > From: Tom > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:21:56 +0000 (UTC) > > Eli Zaretskii gnu.org> writes: > > > > > So I think users prefer Office because it has capabilities that Emacs > > doesn't, and not because its "point and click" interface is easier > > than that of Emacs. > > > > On Windows people prefer office also because it looks and behaves as > any other application. So they prefer familiarity too and being > familiar is also a big part of simplicity and ease of use. > > Emacs looks completely alien on Windows and its behavior is also > alien. I disagree. > The most obvious example is copy/paste which is Ctrl-C/V on windows > while emacs uses something else. That's the only example. > WYSIWYG alone won't gain many new users while emacs stays so > different in other UI points. We won't know unless and until we try.