From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-dynamic-module in Emacs Git? Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:42:10 +0200 Message-ID: <837fycae5p.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wq6tu5m5.fsf@kima.orebokech.com> <85h9xwhpy9.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <87k32sh50f.fsf@lifelogs.com> <85tx1rg64e.fsf_-_@stephe-leake.org> <87siha7r3b.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lhmz4mtj.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sih575rc.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8361dyaqf1.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417362159 3397 80.91.229.3 (30 Nov 2014 15:42:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: aurelien.aptel+emacs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 30 16:42:32 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xv6dr-0006ux-MG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:42:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50750 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xv6dr-0007wE-4s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:42:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53585) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xv6da-0007w8-5N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:42:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xv6dU-0000m3-VU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:42:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout25.012.net.il ([80.179.55.181]:47216) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xv6dU-0000lp-NF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:42:08 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout25.012.net.il by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NFU00300Z6CB000@mtaout25.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:37:48 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NFU00KZOZEZEQ70@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:37:48 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178521 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Aur=E9lien Aptel , > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 09:08:42 -0500 >=20 > > (In general, I question why "modules" that require such tight > > integration with Emacs internals are a good idea: why not sim= ply > > add them to the Emacs core and be done with that? What do we= gain > > by having them as separate .so shared objects?) >=20 > Because we want to provide the possibility to distribute dynamic > moduless via GNU ELPA, MELPA, Marmalade, ... Like I said: I question whether this is a good idea. Such modules will break all the time due to internal changes, and at best will onl= y work with one particular version of Emacs internals. These archives are not a good way to impose the kind of discipline it takes to keep backward compatibility. But I guess all this was already brought up. I just saw the slippery slope the few modules in that branch start on and couldn't resist.