From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:01:24 +0200 Message-ID: <837fy53dmj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87mw72lyzs.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205190925.GA5067@thyrsus.com> <83h9x93leo.fsf@gnu.org> <20141205205320.GA7237@thyrsus.com> <87lhmlrcp1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20141205223955.GJ7784@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417820509 4117 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 23:01:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 00:01:40 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1sa-0008DT-7F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:01:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52804 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1sZ-0008C9-SQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:01:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43524) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1sG-0008Aw-V1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:01:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1sA-0001Na-VP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:01:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:51073) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1s4-0001My-Qj; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:01:08 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NG400C00SNRTW00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:01:07 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NG400CQJT9UZ600@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:01:07 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <20141205223955.GJ7784@thyrsus.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179060 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 17:39:55 -0500 > From: "Eric S. Raymond" > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > I used to be a fan of heavy, explicit document markup; DocBookXML was > my weapon of choice for large documents. It took a bit of mental > readjustment when I first experimented with minimal, new-school > markups like markdown and asciidoc. > > But then my perspective shifted. Now I like the fact that that the > markup obtrudes very little on the actual content. I get to write *foo* > instead of foo and you know what? It's better - > lower overhead not just in typed characters but in the amount of > attention required to read it structurally. You are free to like or dislike whatever tools you want. You like *foo* more that "C-c C-e foo", that's your prerogative. But until and unless you are going to be a major contributor to Emacs documentation, you do NOT get to choose our documentation system for us. So just stop this useless discussion. It isn't going anywhere useful. It does certainly take away a significant portion of the time we have to code and make those other improvements, like the CONTRIBUTE Web page, mentoring newcomers, finding more volunteers and contributors, etc.