From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master has switched from Automake to GNU Make Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:47:12 +0200 Message-ID: <837f3my1kf.fsf@gnu.org> References: <58CB9F6B.5080806@gmx.at> <83h92sz2j9.fsf@gnu.org> <58CBAEB7.5030601@gmx.at> <58CBBC6C.8000104@gmx.at> <83var7yaaf.fsf@gnu.org> <83tw6ry95e.fsf@gnu.org> <1e5e3b16-00a3-f483-a533-811bcabf6de8@cs.ucla.edu> <83r31vxbco.fsf@gnu.org> <7aa093e4-6cc2-9460-316f-930d11606c4e@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1489855668 12396 195.159.176.226 (18 Mar 2017 16:47:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 18 17:47:44 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cpHW0-0002Q8-II for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 17:47:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54057 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpHW6-0002eu-Az for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:47:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50241) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpHW1-0002ep-1Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:47:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpHVx-0008TA-WC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:47:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34742) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpHVx-0008T6-Sh; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:47:37 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2125 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cpHVw-0007My-Ht; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:47:37 -0400 In-reply-to: <7aa093e4-6cc2-9460-316f-930d11606c4e@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:26:55 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:213129 Archived-At: > Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:26:55 -0700 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > What process? This is just a message, it changes nothing in the > > process. > > The process that includes people reading and understanding and acting on > messages. Complicating the messages complicates the process. I think calling my proposal "complicating the messages" is an exaggeration, to say the least. > > AFAIR, last time you tried this, some people here objected to forcing > > them install Git hooks. > > They would not be forced under my most recent proposal. They could run > './autogen.sh autoconf' rather than plain './autogen.sh'. All that would be > changed would be a minor simplification in the default. We will have to ask those people, won't we?