From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:37:38 +0300 Message-ID: <837ejtplyl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83y3cu7t9j.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8t2ki9.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <20180827015422.lcq44zvsjffeau4j@Ergus> <83a7p76f5e.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8p9o6y.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83pnxx1foj.fsf@gnu.org> <87bm9d9zs9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87efe75v02.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <87sh2lu471.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <87r2i4p2f8.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <83r2i4rmg7.fsf@gnu.org> <87o9d7bryw.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <83va7fqlwe.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg897kzl.fsf@toy.adminart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536584019 4817 195.159.176.226 (10 Sep 2018 12:53:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 12:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: hw Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 10 14:53:35 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fzLh5-00016j-He for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:53:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51548 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzLjC-0006PD-0T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:55:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33292) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzLeY-0001Oo-Bm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:50:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzLRh-0002Aq-KT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:37:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37901) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzLRh-0002Ag-FP; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:37:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2043 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fzLRb-0006d2-0B; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:37:31 -0400 In-reply-to: <87lg897kzl.fsf@toy.adminart.net> (message from hw on Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:35:58 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229626 Archived-At: > From: hw > Cc: spacibba@aol.com, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:35:58 +0200 > > > I see nothing wrong with that: if you are one of those who can't, just > > ignore the part about ergonomic cursor motion keys. > > Does the tutorial say that when you use cursor keys, you can skip > forward to line 322 and start reading there? It says "you can use the arrow keys". Skipping is not a problem, as the tutorial has small and clearly marked sections. But I'm not opposed to adding an explicit sentence like that. > The tutorial uses the first 322 lines (26%) to go on and on about these > movement keys. It is supposed to be *the* Emacs tutorial, not a > keyboard tutorial. They are not general keyboard features, they are _Emacs_ keyboard input features. > Do you really think that *the* Emacs tutorial should use its first 300+ > lines to cover a non-issue? Isn't there anything much more interesting > and far more important to learn about Emacs? We don't think this is a non-issue.