From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 17:11:46 +0300 Message-ID: <837dsclljx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20200926163008.GS1349@protected.rcdrun.com> <83y2kwpjfo.fsf@gnu.org> <20200926173651.GU1349@protected.rcdrun.com> <20200927073221.GA13911@protected.rcdrun.com> <83y2kvodty.fsf@gnu.org> <20200928222517.GG18207@protected.rcdrun.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38236"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, jamtlu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 29 16:13:03 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNGNL-0009on-C3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 16:13:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48184 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNGNJ-0002dZ-DL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:13:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49446) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNGMP-0001Ls-7L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:12:05 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37910) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNGMO-0006EL-AO; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:12:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2010 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kNGMG-0003ZP-8I; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:11:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20200928222517.GG18207@protected.rcdrun.com> (message from Jean Louis on Tue, 29 Sep 2020 01:25:17 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256697 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 01:25:17 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: rms@gnu.org, jamtlu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > * Eli Zaretskii [2020-09-27 10:54]: > > > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 10:32:21 +0300 > > > From: Jean Louis > > > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, jamtlu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > > > Emacs should in general have an option under Tools -> Look up word > > > > We have that under Help->Search Documentation. > > Search documentation is separate feature from looking up any technical > or special word in glossary No, I think it's quite related, especially since the Glossary is part of the manual. > and third feature would be looking up any word in dictionaries. That's an almost unrelated feature. Useful, but unrelated to the current discussion. Let's not mix them. > I am personall using dictionary servers straight from Emacs, {s-d} on > any word gives me helm completion, list of dictionaries I can choose > from, to find a definition, it runs these functions below, and {s-w} > runs (wordnut-search) from wordnut package, so definitions are > quickly there accessible. If we speak of text editing, we edit words, > words are defined and Emacs should have reference to dictionary for > each word, and fall back to online searches. I'd rather have Emacs implement the client side of the DICT protocol, it shouldn't be too hard. Especially people already tried (there are packages floating out there). Depending on an external tool makes the solution less portable.