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> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 00:44:08 -0500
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk
> 
>   > If we want to appear by default more like other GUI apps out there,
>   > then we should bite the bullet and show some widget that allows to
>   > toggle on/off those parts of the UI (tool bar, menu bar, scroll bars,
>   > etc.), like they do.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> Can we arrange a way to program such dialogs from Lisp?
> That would be an elegant way to solve all these UI problems.

I'd expect modern toolkits to have such a widget ready for use, given
the attitude of the GUI applications nowadays.