From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: [PATCH] Package Installation in Tutorial Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2021 10:04:44 +0200 Message-ID: <837dck7q3n.fsf@gnu.org> References: <864k7ro07p.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13251"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: danflscr@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 04 09:07:32 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtQ4y-0003IC-3v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 09:07:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38896 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtQ4w-0001SG-Dn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 03:07:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56064) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtQ2w-0000Vu-Rt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 03:05:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=52766 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtQ2w-0001ql-El; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 03:05:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=NwzFhZxugfRBI/crVInhVf8s3r28KRT3KZ7BmwtQS8g=; b=fh4TygAONpfD TYFobjn7PeDzngKQ2YxGR+Be2jLu6PZPJP3957s6IdP/ttvogFJaUrYCFss0KUj9QeUB6UC1GhzzE JfB1qKQry9PXYV6t1XWjC1dZo/DzRBTtRKxkhfvKpskXgxWgsuQB+p8uWBEmrOMR1QDUH3sfQujhE w6Cj1GuX9cHgOh0Hr23PL+fYUjRqC/wD7zsW11LzyTrZgMLpwJACrvWar32gdfHSAGGD+epapiEbW vdMQ4JqTg4B5FssJ0enFI/tE0auboNJG+ljAvkVCM9turioe+BYb2a75nfcEPmEH3BlKTCQ0vmL3Z g9MQoI+dIBrK9HVtPnklsQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4584 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtQ2O-00038r-2o; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 03:04:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:44:17 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280898 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:44:17 -0500 > Cc: danflscr@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > I'd suggest that teaching basic customization > > should be more useful/important than teaching > > how to install an external package. But I > > don't claim to be right about that suggestion. > > I tend to think that neither one is important enough to > include in the tutorial. I think that neither operation > is part of what people need to know, when they are at > the very basic level that the tutorial aims to teach. > > But I'm not going to argue about it. > > > That sounds like another fine addition to make. Maybe someone could > > write up 15-20 lines or so about how to use `M-x customize'? > > To teach this to the sort of people that need the tutorial > calls for walking the reader through an example. That would require > a hundred lines, or maybe 200. We don't have to provide enough details in the tutorial, we could just mention that these things exist, and refer to the manual. Discovery is not an insignificant problem in Emacs.