From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 20:16:51 +0300 Message-ID: <837d1i16yk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <8335c9dkyf.fsf@gnu.org> <83tu4odez7.fsf@gnu.org> <871qrrpkgx.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <834jwnbi6c.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtafnun5.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23314"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rlb@defaultvalue.org, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 02 19:21:44 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1of2et-0005sA-M4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 19:21:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38258 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of2es-00032x-Dg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:21:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44136) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of2aL-0006aD-Aw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:17:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52306) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of2aK-00043k-Hy; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:17:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=MaBCW4V9umIEkosfGRzfS40VE2XNR6h8NzYoIrcmXyU=; b=YBLxK3NcYPm7 RZB9236aO2abKubP9hbynqTIkuGOC67ZaE5s7ELbZyTeg0HrrmYN5jew6QVDgyuN8Tplv8l5KL1Qg dngCh7vu+X0mZxHdqh4UWcAbKeZOyZLoC7gKh8EK0xYSnqF+3pnQMGBeAs3mDt3qAEqdlmqDxHRnR yI46UoHSyp2/IDFfHMdVPyvFT/5qheDw2M76O2Oewy3bNlV9zaoRgIBfxOImJarq/5cQtdnIreYhi qQGJacLr5YYbMRF+Qk4WlWToCxP/KNdqcsoOuDYwooQZFDElB9uIGQUO8pfgqv3ckwizO6ZYnZubi 4QyzAKtvf5tlg1axx2XnyA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3591 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of2aK-0003GH-0P; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:17:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Sun, 02 Oct 2022 12:53:56 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296650 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Rob Browning , david@tethera.net, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org > Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 12:53:56 -0400 > > > All in all, I think JIT compilation strikes a good balance between > > resources and their actual usage. > > Yes. But the balance is different in different contexts. Theoretically, yes. But I don't yet see why the particular context described by Rob is different to the degree that it would need special procedures. > FWIW, I'm not convinced it's really useful in Debian's `emacs` package > to eagerly native compile all the bundled .elc files, but I think it > does make a lot of sense for ELisp packages installed separately. Maybe so, but even if that is the decision about the *.elc files, it doesn't automatically follow that the *.eln files should be handled the same. I explained in previous messages why I think so, with enough important differences between them to facilitate rethinking, I hope. > In any case, I'd let Debian's maintainers make their own choices for > their own specific needs which are slightly different from ours (where > our release tarballs and default config are designed in large part for > users who'll compile Emacs themselves and who install third party > ELisp packages into their $HOME). We can only advise them, yes.