From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Android port (was: gnulib fsusage) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:49:13 +0200 Message-ID: <837cx7avsm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkmv6z36.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87bkmv6z36.fsf@yahoo.com> <83y1pzyqed.fsf@gnu.org> <875yd296la.fsf@yahoo.com> <83lelyzuph.fsf@gnu.org> <871qnq91l1.fsf@yahoo.com> <835yd2ps1v.fsf@gnu.org> <87wn5i7id9.fsf@yahoo.com> <831qnqppkm.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkmtoep1.fsf@gnu.org> <35ae19e677415c7f12d81cedb6f5e662a977f5d0.camel@yandex.ru> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24305"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: bugs@gnu.support, luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Konstantin Kharlamov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 28 09:50:09 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pLguX-00067q-GH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 09:50:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLgtr-00062x-Kq; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:49:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLgtq-00062p-Hd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:49:26 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLgtp-0004yQ-FC; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:49:25 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=TZHtwoNnd346519f6dN2B4P3EF20MmglpEopZVzZNt4=; b=KdIm+3TZteHx N9fitJXKIIBZRmWJAmQbJij9kXrLY5yNju8f75ZQRjMSA5FkxNdKVdst4O5d4okzELoJSDuckk9On HzJgXIxAl/q4gcH/ch8ICC02DByLkvUef1yHTVqskdYypmCbJ3h0Du67Sp1EINeZFy86GolYI398p kUFd7GjvjTyoRbfq7ApTwXh/+yJBabIvjkb1UeUoYSSf9cONWKq3IUXAdrvJm1AiJtZo+rNYViVDE p4ETvkjSVqCa8jolUwI79Dw+PBdAFLvrHwTQkEkQdqs5ePRrotiorpi/zKuLLjRPuhUdocoS6wAyc bdWCsHZVkbH2+m1UV4Sd2w==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pLgto-0003dS-Pn; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:49:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: <35ae19e677415c7f12d81cedb6f5e662a977f5d0.camel@yandex.ru> (message from Konstantin Kharlamov on Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:50:02 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302706 Archived-At: > From: Konstantin Kharlamov > Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:50:02 +0300 > > On Fri, 2023-01-20 at 09:19 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 09:47:34 +0300 > > > From: Jean Louis > > > Cc: Po Lu , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > > > * Eli Zaretskii [2023-01-19 17:28]: > > > > First, we need to decide whether we indeed want to have this in Emacs. > > > > Android is not a free platform, so when its support comes with a lot > > > > of additional non-trivial code that we'd need to understand and > > > > support/maintain (including a lot of Java), we had better discussed > > > > that first. > > > > > > Replicant is free platform. > > > > That fact is not relevant to this discussion. > > I think the point Jean meant to make is that Android platform per se isn't > closed, even if the unfortunate situation is that many vendors ship a lot of > closed code, mainly drivers (tho situation with closed drivers is slowly > improving, Google seem to be working on that). > > The link Jean posted is just one of (free and open source) derivatives of > Android platform. The other one very popular comes to mind was CyanogenMod, > which later was succeeded by LineageOS. Since the absolute majority of Android devices out there are non-free, the fact that a small number of free ones exist is not relevant to the main points of this discussion.