From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:35:41 +0300 Message-ID: <837cncmewi.fsf@gnu.org> References: <835y38qvlg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebyu5yx.fsf@gnu.org> <4684f43123d7dee59461@heytings.org> <835y2xo1a5.fsf@gnu.org> <4684f4312391906f6101@heytings.org> <831qdlo084.fsf@gnu.org> <83msw8n43r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1fs75mx.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8962"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, gregory@heytings.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 24 13:36:07 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qvFhf-00027Z-Ia for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 13:36:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvFhI-0004QC-RX; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 07:35:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvFhG-0004M8-DS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 07:35:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvFhF-00045i-Tu; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 07:35:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=zvQUu2x5gbCJ8gZqvOgr49uagc6slrcAhUSf0LIPdso=; b=e2K+6dyDMiw8 jg/kBBSUxVzMwykM6rAKg3Rrj17Hj/hK9LlchnJCHPe9mDhY258KIbPClYYLydT/Qteyr3Uk1lHwO RegAkZA+nwQz80lykypUx3/7M0mhI3CjOQNyQEmIHrKVStan4PzWS1sSSBoTYKhnj4ogQJsQ4Q0ks +vZu0rqgmihUYnt9ZBewTZfRfHhtTCetYRzxCcyeWE9RmBoInrOxKIi3j9A/AIJ5/ePhadHfnX//U OUDRiHBWECX2nKxH6zQgMKfj+h8VNwhoq3Qz5kguJeXw3CsbB4myE4rVqWTLnMHG4sQuu0T4MJviP c7kNXsvihhygPovJklOPIg==; In-Reply-To: <87y1fs75mx.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:04:54 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311776 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , gregory@heytings.org, rms@gnu.org, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:04:54 +0000 > > Stefan Kangas writes: > > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > >> Introduction of symbols that are not needed. > > > > Sure, but that's rather subjective. One could also argue that it is a > > good thing to have certain symbols available immediately, for example > > because they are typically needed. > > Could it be customizeable somehow? What do you want to be customizable, and how? > I have seen articles using portable dumper to pre-load more libraries, > but it was rather cumbersome and fragile exercise. It might be of > interest for people interested in reducing the startup time to have > a command like M-x dump-emacs-using-already-loaded-built-in-libraries. > That way, users can pre-load the libraries that will be loaded anyway. Isn't that already available using dump-emacs-portable? Or am I missing something?