From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:16:29 +0200 Message-ID: <837cmowf2a.fsf@gnu.org> References: <871qd8sfdx.fsf@posteo.net> <838r7g8pys.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcbrgnr.fsf@posteo.net> <25924.21015.19614.951576@orion.rgrjr.com> <87bkc4jpja.fsf@dataswamp.org> <12da6bcb-1818-7fbe-12af-8d4607724332@gutov.dev> <83sf5fyx60.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7g3ynjp.fsf@gnu.org> <87h6lvhrme.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83jzqrylte.fsf@gnu.org> <87edgwigg3.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83bkc0wfy6.fsf@gnu.org> <871qcwidsf.fsf@dataswamp.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8069"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 11 15:17:20 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r1onX-0001s4-IH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:17:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1omt-00018H-Pf; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 09:16:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1oms-00017u-Il for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 09:16:38 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1omr-0005JM-Fe; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 09:16:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=OuJemUSYVp0rvDdZbRlIjzjAo9d6oikjYQ7VzODZ8ew=; b=XKcFbFSbGSvO VTHphTMn61BoNO89pjYKraa7pzJ4EQo5klOHwarcnnkcxekCDzqTcMW0NcUNF7HnY8H1XNKnLG/iB hsCizjJjolnVL7FIV4cpqsA16D9hGhdgiGTjPMQjqvZIi6xeZtvSHNvOInWtacCnNngzVJw+wrzbv mTMcWfLE8BVXVluVxHuu4frrgEGfX9JnVbAWEi68TBhIlHgvAeS4M1ev0p4yX28nH3U4O38RRw9mU SMZOuclnvPCR860Ig26VcAG4+MhP5bdYNJQFn4WcrvxLZWHBXHGu5rhpqmePks2UP2SR4I1CIVuqF 1lscVL9tLg0bGXxVKqGtpA==; In-Reply-To: <871qcwidsf.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:07:44 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312575 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:07:44 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> Yes, I understand, but we can still just hand out files to > >> people, "now you are maintaining this file". That person > >> will have to agree, of course. > > > > In the real world, where I live, this is also unbecoming, > > and thus practically impossible. Good luck leading > > a volunteer project with these ideas! > > What do you mean? I mean that's not how things work in this and other volunteer-based projects. > Why can't more people be involved? They can, just not as simply as you put it, and what can be done is already being done, by and large.