From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Input method or help feature needed Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:49:08 +0200 Message-ID: <8362sgv4zv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8339nmwjf2.fsf@gnu.org> <87aahu30d5.fsf@escher.home> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1298101761 8859 80.91.229.12 (19 Feb 2011 07:49:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 07:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen.berman@gmx.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 19 08:49:17 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PqhZ6-00030t-M2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:49:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49394 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PqhZ5-0008Mp-SA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 02:49:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51810 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PqhYu-0008ML-Jo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 02:49:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PqhYs-0007k2-Ok for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 02:49:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:38702) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PqhYs-0007jh-B7; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 02:49:02 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LGU00C00T2TDA00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:49:00 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.140.24]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LGU00B9MTPNURA0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:49:00 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:136206 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:24:50 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > C-x 8 RET * dotless TAB TAB > > brings up a completions buffer containing all unicode character names > matching "DOTLESS" -- including LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I. > > That is trying to do this job, but using completion as the interface > is inconvenient. I don't want to have to navigate that buffer by > typing TAB. I am not sure what the * does, and I would never have > thought of typing it. Yes, the * feature is hard to discover. It was only documented in the Emacs manual, and is hardly intuitive for Emacs old-timers such as myself. > It takes a long time for the buffer to appear. Perhaps that is > inevitable, but having it happen in the middle of things was > confusing. There are many characters in the Unicode database, so slow machines will take time generating the list, especially if that's the first time you are invoking "C-x 8 RET". > Is there a faster way to generate such a list? Try "M-x list-character-sets", where you could type RET on the unicode-bmp charset and have it displayed. If you already know that there's a charset named "unicode-bmp", you could use "M-x list-charset-chars" instead. We should probably enhance list-charset-chars with at least the following 3 features: . Show the Unicode name of a character in a tooltip or by typing RET on its image; . Show input methods that support a character; . Allow to insert a character at point in another buffer (although M-w followed by C-y will do as a poor-man replacement). > I'd rather have it ordered by languages than alphabetically. Unicode character names already are ordered by languages (well, almost: they are ordered by _scripts_, so only single-language scripts will give you exactly what you want; there's no "turkish", for example, only "latin").