From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default behaviour of RET. Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:13:17 +0300 Message-ID: <8361sqli02.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1382372026 10664 80.91.229.3 (21 Oct 2013 16:13:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rudalics@gmx.at, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 21 18:13:49 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VYI71-0001Y6-1B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:13:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40711 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYI70-0002Nw-Cf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:13:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36243) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYI6t-0002NU-J8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:13:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYI6p-0006mZ-CL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:13:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:49109) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYI6p-0006mH-4P; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:13:35 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MV100N000ZU2100@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:13:05 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MV100NMY11S2000@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:13:05 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164422 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:26:00 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: acm@muc.de, rudalics@gmx.at, stephen@xemacs.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > I need to customize every programming mode I use to do that. > > You do? You can't use `C-j'? I can, but it's much less convenient than to use RET. > Are you bemoaning the disappearance of a key that did the same thing > key `C-j' does? Not in particular. And what would be the use? it's not like keyboard designers will listen. > And yet you feel you need to make `RET' do that? Not so clear. What's not clear? I want a key that is easily reached and that performs newline-and-indent. Every modern IDE does that. > If you still had a `LFD' key would you nevertheless feel the "need to > customize every programming mode I use" to make `RET' do what `LFD' > did? Maybe, I don't know. Last time I used that key was 30 years ago. > And which users are you talking about, who have this expectation? > Emacs users? Users of any modern IDE, which I think includes Emacs.