From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apropos emacs-intl-fonts & https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHebrew Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 22:38:25 +0200 Message-ID: <8361s99q66.fsf@gnu.org> References: <871u2yx799.fsf@gmail.com> <83bo219y1k.fsf@gnu.org> <878ux51fqj.fsf@gmail.com> <87li15nthn.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87ppqhxmnd.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1383511125 16049 80.91.229.3 (3 Nov 2013 20:38:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 20:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: oub@mat.ucm.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jambunathan K Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 03 21:38:49 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vd4Rc-0003N9-Nf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:38:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46745 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vd4Rc-0002An-CZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 15:38:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52590) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vd4RU-00028b-EJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 15:38:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vd4RO-0006js-Fy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 15:38:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:44854) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vd4RO-0006jm-78 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 15:38:34 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MVP00900FV9O200@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 22:38:32 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MVP00945G0874D0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 22:38:32 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87ppqhxmnd.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164912 Archived-At: > From: Jambunathan K > Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 01:50:38 +0530 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > The hebrew word that reads like English "Tit", that is "David" right? Yes. > You want the Hebrew table row be read in R2L manner and the English row > down below correspond one to one with row above it. (So the English > cells would have a directional override.) No, that won't work. Directional override changes the directional properties of individual _characters_, so "Hello" will be displayed as "olleH", which is not what you want. What you want is to cause _words_ be laid out right to left, even though normally 2 juxtaposed English words would be laid out left to right, in the direction they are read. For that, use the RLM (RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK) between "Hello" and "David". That's one solution suggested by the ELisp manual. > How would I quickly inspect directional markers in a text. Why would you need to? These control characters are supposed to be invisible (the Unicode Standard actually advises to remove them from text on display, but it was un-Emacsy, so I left them in). I suggest to tell what problem are you trying to solve by displaying the directional controls, rather than asking how to display them. (And I already answered that question anyway: customize glyphless-char-display-control.)