From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rant - Emacs mail is not user friendly Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:27:41 +0200 Message-ID: <8361eghnr6.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416040108 28201 80.91.229.3 (15 Nov 2014 08:28:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 08:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Kelly Dean Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 15 09:28:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XpYiS-0006VS-Lg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 09:28:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39462 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XpYiS-0007lY-8t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 03:28:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43982) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XpYiB-0007lR-W4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 03:28:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XpYi5-0004om-Uh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 03:28:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:55798) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XpYi5-0004oi-N6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 03:27:57 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NF200I00N50IK00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:27:56 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NF200II9NIKB770@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:27:56 +0200 (IST) Sun-Java-System-SMTP-Warning: Lines longer than SMTP allows found and truncated. In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:177149 Archived-At: > From: Kelly Dean > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 06:54:07 +0000 > > The documentation is ridiculous, it's in the wrong place, it's outdated, the code doesn't work, it's outdated too, and there's no point in trying to fix any of it because my work is unwanted anyway. Even the worst webmail service I've ever used was more user-friendly than this, which is why I keep using them even though they routinely betray me by locking me out of my account for some stupid little thing like lying about my niece's name because it's none of Yahoo's business or logging in from a new IP address and failing to tell Google about it in advance, forcing me to create new account and lose any mail stored in the previous one that I didn't paranoidly download an offline copy of after every mail session in anticipation of their inevitable betrayal. At least Google let me back in af ter I traveled back to where I could log in from the previous IP address again. I'm telling you all this in order to waste your time from reading this message so you'll feel my pain, or will at leas You are right. The reason is probably that feedmail is used by only a few who already know from long experience how to set it up. I'd encourage you to file a bug report about this, and suggest there changes for the parts that you've succeeded to unlock. Thanks in advance.