From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2016 05:38:24 +0200 Message-ID: <8360wxtz9r.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <64a52598-ad53-498c-993c-67d7827dbdfc@default> <838u1uuuau.fsf@gnu.org> <878u1um2xl.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <83egbmt2on.fsf@gnu.org> <87vb4ykn17.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <838u1ut22y.fsf@gnu.org> <87pov6kmfe.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457408322 7657 80.91.229.3 (8 Mar 2016 03:38:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 03:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nikolaus Rath Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 08 04:38:36 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ad8Tj-0004zY-FR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 04:38:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59945 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad8Ti-0007mw-Vk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:38:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42834) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad8TW-0007mb-Tz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:38:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad8TR-00022g-TU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:38:22 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58386) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad8TR-00022b-QM; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:38:17 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2187 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ad8TR-00079T-65; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:38:17 -0500 In-reply-to: <87pov6kmfe.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> (message from Nikolaus Rath on Mon, 07 Mar 2016 13:28:21 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201109 Archived-At: > From: Nikolaus Rath > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 13:28:21 -0800 > > Asking me to walk three times around my chair before making the commit > is also a simple request that's easily accomplished. That doesn't make > it any less astonishing. There is just no apparent good reason for this > duplication. Thus it astonishes. The reasons exist, and has been described. You may not agree with them, perhaps due to different experience, but that doesn't mean they aren't valid. > > You didn't read what I wrote about the current system. If we stop > > producing ChangeLog files, there will be no reason for having detailed > > enough commit log messages, and soon enough there will be no > > summaries. > > I don't see how one follows from the other. Why isn't whatever measure > you are currently take to ensure detailed ChangeLog files equally > suitable to ensure detailed commit messages? Because if we continue going the way we do, we are sending a very specific message to the future contributors.