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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Change in files.el
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 18:08:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8360kzyxor.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvbmurmbyt.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Sat, 28 Jan 2017 10:40:41 -0500)

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 10:40:41 -0500
> 
> >> - So that you don't have to wrap each and every use inside an `if'.
> >> - Or so you don't have to fix the docstring to say what happens when the
> >> value is nil.
> >> - Or so you can use `add-function' on it.
> >> - More generally, so that you can slightly change its behavior without
> >> having to re-implement the default behavior by hand.
> >> - Also, so as to make sure that it is *possible* to reimplement the
> >> default behavior by hand (i.e. to make sure the predicate has access to all
> >> the info it needs to reproduce the default behavior).
> > These sound minor to me (and the last two are also possible without
> > the requirement, AFAIU).
> 
> Hmm... how do you get the last two without that requirement?

Are we still talking about a predicate, i.e. a function that returns
either t or nil?  If so, I think the last two are so trivial that I
don't know where to begin answering your question.

> > By contrast, insisting on a function value instead of the default nil
> > forces me to go through at least one more level of indirection when
> > I need to understand what happens in a function that references such
> > variables, which sounds like a more serious trouble from my POV.
> 
> I don't follow, sorry.  I don't understand what you mean by "go through
> at least one more level of indirection" here.  Could you explain with
> an example.

Let's say I'm looking at this code:

  (defcustom save-some-buffers-default-predicate nil
  ...)

  (unless pred
    (setq pred save-some-buffers-default-predicate))
  (if pred DO-SOMETHING)

Here I know immediately what happens when PRED is nil and
save-some-buffers-default-predicate is at its default value.  By
contrast, this:

  (defcustom save-some-buffers-default-predicate #'some-func
  ...)

  (if save-some-buffers-default-predicate DO-SOMETHING)

requires me to go and look at some-func, which is "one more level of
indirection".



  reply	other threads:[~2017-01-28 16:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-28  2:16 Change in files.el Richard Stallman
2017-01-28  2:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-28  9:10   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-28 14:40     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-28 14:57       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-28 15:31         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-01-28 16:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-28 15:40         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-28 16:08           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2017-01-28 16:51             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-28 17:11               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-28 17:22                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-28 17:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-28 17:42                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-28 17:53                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-29 18:59                         ` John Wiegley
2017-01-30  3:57                           ` Leo Liu
2017-01-30 15:58                             ` John Wiegley
2017-01-31  4:19                               ` Leo Liu
2017-01-31 14:01                                 ` John Wiegley
2017-01-31 14:46                               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-31 16:21                                 ` Kaushal Modi
2017-01-31 18:40                                   ` Default value of variables named `*-function' [was: Change in files.el] Drew Adams
2017-02-01  8:35                                     ` Andreas Röhler
2017-01-28 18:41                       ` Change in files.el Mark Oteiza
2017-01-28 19:37                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-01  3:49                           ` Mark Oteiza
2017-02-01  7:33                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-01 12:56                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-01 14:12                                 ` Kaushal Modi
2017-01-29  0:21       ` Richard Stallman
2017-02-04  9:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-04 23:52   ` Richard Stallman

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