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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: phst@google.com, p.stephani2@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 74f54af: Use eassume (false) for branch that's never taken.
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 20:19:49 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <835zr44p1m.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e07766be-d56d-1c95-b848-be09e11ecacb@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Tue, 23 Apr 2019 09:56:15 -0700)

> Cc: p.stephani2@gmail.com, phst@google.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 09:56:15 -0700
> 
> On 4/22/19 11:19 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > My mental model of using assertions in Emacs is slightly different.
> > In my model, we use eassert for things that "cannot happen", but can
> > be tolerated in some sense in a production build.  "Tolerate" here
> > means that the result could be incorrect display or some strange error
> > message or a crash in some unrelated place.
> 
> This is not a model I'm familiar with, and many (most?) executions of
> eassert don't behave that way. For example, when XCAR (via XCONS) uses
> eassert to check that its argument is tagged as a cons, any assertion
> failure means Emacs is in a seriously bad state. Quite possibly Emacs
> will crash immediately;

You just said in different words what I described.

> but even if Emacs lucks out and doesn't crash immediately it's not
> something that should be tolerated.

My model disagrees with "should" there.  IMO, it's a judgment call
when to tolerate that and when not.

> For example, string_bytes has such a test, even though string_bytes
> won't crash immediately if the test is omitted.

I didn't say my model is followed consistently throughout our
sources.  It's possible that string_bytes needs to be changed
(assuming that I will convince you to adopt my model ;-).

> In practice, I think the more accurate characterization is that we use
> eassert for runtime checks done in testing but not in production, and we
> use emacs_abort for runtime checks always done even in production.

That is also consistent with what I said.

> We're more likely to prefer emacs_abort to eassert if the runtime
> check is cheap or is rarely needed, or if the failure is more likely
> or has worse effects. Whether the failure would occur immediately
> after the check is not that relevant.

Like I said, it's a judgment call.  What you describe are all valid
considerations, but they don't contradict my model.

> > And it doesn't help
> > that with current build machinery one needs to manually specify all
> > the compiler switches, instead of using some simple configure switch
> > that automatically does that for us.  Using one more switch increases
> > that burden slightly.
> 
> We could have --enable-checking default to -fsanitize=undefined on
> platforms that support it.

If it doesn't tremendously slow down Emacs, I think we should, yes.



      reply	other threads:[~2019-04-23 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-19  8:43 [Emacs-diffs] master 74f54af: Use eassume (false) for branch that's never taken Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-19  9:52 ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-19 10:08   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-19 19:04     ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-19 19:14       ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-19 20:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-19 20:14       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-19 23:00         ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-20  6:25           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23  0:52             ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-23  6:19               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 16:56                 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-23 17:19                   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]

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