From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 15:54:47 +0300 Message-ID: <835zdets2w.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838siattyv.fsf@gnu.org> <47A9A3ED-E4F2-4773-BA0A-C83FAC195D85@icloud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="26808"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, rms@gnu.org, Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 02 14:55:41 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUrgD-0006s7-AS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 14:55:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56684 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUrgC-0005M8-DQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 08:55:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36978) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUrfh-0004h8-Qw for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 08:55:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56540) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUrfh-0004BW-Gk; Sat, 02 May 2020 08:55:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3183 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jUrfU-0004gb-UF; Sat, 02 May 2020 08:54:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <47A9A3ED-E4F2-4773-BA0A-C83FAC195D85@icloud.com> (message from =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= on Sat, 2 May 2020 21:22:26 +0900) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248422 Archived-At: > From: 조성빈 > Cc: philippe.vaucher@gmail.com, tomas@tuxteam.de, rms@gnu.org, > Emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 21:22:26 +0900 > > >> Isn’t this the problem that the proposal is trying to address? So that people can get more info from the function names without needing to know all of the idiosyncrasies. > > > > Yes. But as I wrote earlier, I think the hopes that names will solve > > this problem are overrated. > > I think Philippe explained it well, but it’s useful for situations where you know the concept, used a bit, but haven’t used it enough to internalize the function names. Philippe did explain, we just disagree about the chances of that to solve a significant enough portion of the problem to make a difference. I think the existing tools will still be needed, and so it's better to work on making those tools more accurate. > personally the fact that one needs to open a *Help* buffer while writing elisp means that it should be improvable. I cannot disagree more.