From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Questions about throw-on-input Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 17:23:42 +0300 Message-ID: <835zcy61e9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8920fe6a-8fe4-addd-c29e-2213850bf974@web.de> <83k11f7v4q.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="114342"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: alexanderm@web.de, yyoncho@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philipp Stephani Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 14 16:49:41 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZFB6-000TcM-L6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 16:49:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41158 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZFB5-0004UD-Ky for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 10:49:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40022) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZEmO-0006nj-LA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 10:24:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33911) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZEmN-0006cb-S2; Thu, 14 May 2020 10:24:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4203 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jZEmD-0002jM-UN; Thu, 14 May 2020 10:24:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Philipp Stephani on Thu, 14 May 2020 10:32:44 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250247 Archived-At: > From: Philipp Stephani > Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:32:44 +0200 > Cc: Alexander Miller , Emacs developers , > Stefan Monnier , yyoncho > > > Your ideal world seems to be based on an editor design that is very > > different from what Emacs is. The absolute majority of objects which > > an average Lisp program manipulates are globally visible -- buffers, > > windows, frames, global variables, the obarray, etc., and doing that > > in non-blocking ways is not really trivial. > > > > And that's what I'd call one of the biggest problems in current > Emacs's design. Much of the development in programming practices over > the last few decades has been moving away from global mutable state, > in order to increase robustness and predictability, and also to make > concurrency without subprocesses possible. My point is that adding multithreading to Emacs will need rethinking and redesigning many core features, so it is a large job.