From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:01:01 +0300 Message-ID: <835z8kj1ia.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y2lkb6kb.fsf@gmail.com> <9A4FA038-CCFD-45DF-8B57-E348AFF951D9@gmail.com> <87sgbsb0eb.fsf@gmail.com> <87h7s6c31d.fsf@gmail.com> <87mu1xrjqw.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <48ed4897-356c-4669-a330-1fdb5d65402b@default> <83lfhhijbl.fsf@gnu.org> <871rj9uz12.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13801"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: casouri@gmail.com, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com, ghe@sdf.org, self@gkayaalp.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, tecosaur@gmail.com To: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 08:01:53 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGc89-0003Sx-Jy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:01:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48396 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGc88-0004xc-M0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 02:01:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58202) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGc7H-00048K-UN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 02:01:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47634) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGc7F-0007Ay-3d; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 02:00:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1215 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGc7D-0002mF-LF; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 02:00:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <871rj9uz12.fsf@gkayaalp.com> (message from =?utf-8?B?R8O2?= =?utf-8?B?a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp on Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:01:29 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255097 Archived-At: > From: Göktuğ Kayaalp > Cc: Yuri Khan , drew.adams@oracle.com, > self@gkayaalp.com, ghe@sdf.org, casouri@gmail.com, tecosaur@gmail.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:01:29 +0300 > > It appears that in Emacs we have the extra trouble of menu-bar-mode > being one of the first things people disable, and some major ‘distros’ > like Spacemacs seem to disable them by default, so many people never > even see it. Also, FWIW, I just noticed the Options menu for the first > time in my life, after reading Drew’s message, even though the menu bar > has been sitting there before my eyes for years... > > There was an idea in another thread that we could ask major distros to > not disable menu bar, and I said I could create the issues, but I though > I’d wait for some of the maintainers (dis)agree first. What do you > think, would such a thing be useful? Disabling the menu bar and the tool bar, let alone doing that by default, makes very little sense to me. I'm running with both of them enable, although I rarely if ever use them. So yes, please do urge those distros not to disable these UI features. Thanks.