From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Current mode command discovery
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 20:01:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <835z2lxptd.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87czwtiadm.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 21 Feb 2021 18:44:21 +0100)
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 18:44:21 +0100
>
> > "C-h x" is a command we introduced for newbies, and then we proceed
> > confusing them with commands that cannot be shown with "C-h x"? is
> > that reasonable and consistent?
>
> Filtering away `undefined' and `ignore' from completions for newbies
> sounds like a good idea to me: They aren't commands that can be used in
> `M-x'.
I think filtering out commands such as 'undefined' and 'ignore', that
are really just internal implementation details, is okay. But I
wasn't talking about those, I was talking about digit-argument, which
are full-fledged commands.
We can invent some database for augmenting the results of mechanically
constructing the list of completion candidates by some criteria such
as key bindings etc. This database could, for example, tell us to
remove 'undefined' and 'ignore' from the list. Or we may consider
these problems as an indication that perhaps the criteria used for
this are not smart enough to produce useful lists without clutter, and
we should rethink.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-02-21 18:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 177+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-02-14 17:19 Current mode command discovery Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 17:26 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-15 3:00 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 17:29 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-15 3:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 12:21 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-16 12:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 12:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 17:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 17:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 18:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-15 3:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-15 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 12:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 16:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 18:08 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-16 18:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 18:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 18:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 18:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 18:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 19:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 19:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 19:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 20:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 3:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 11:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 17:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-18 6:02 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-16 23:32 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-17 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 16:28 ` tomas
2021-02-17 17:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 19:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 19:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 18:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-17 19:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 5:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-19 8:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 12:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-19 22:33 ` chad
2021-02-19 23:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-19 23:19 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-20 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-20 19:43 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-21 17:10 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-20 13:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 14:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-22 4:00 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-22 5:27 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-20 19:43 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-19 14:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 18:32 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-20 11:16 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-17 8:34 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-17 11:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 23:30 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 19:53 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-14 20:25 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-14 21:20 ` tomas
2021-02-14 23:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 23:30 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 21:20 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-14 21:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-14 22:07 ` tomas
2021-02-14 23:30 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 23:30 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-14 23:30 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-14 23:30 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-14 19:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 20:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-14 20:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 20:49 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-14 21:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 23:18 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 23:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-15 2:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-15 0:29 ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-15 2:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 2:20 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-17 11:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17 11:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 16:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17 17:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 22:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-18 10:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-18 13:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-18 14:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-18 17:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-19 12:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-19 12:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 12:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-19 12:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 12:59 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-19 13:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 13:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-19 13:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 14:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-19 12:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-19 12:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 12:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-19 12:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17 18:21 ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-17 18:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 22:26 ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-17 22:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 18:41 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 22:28 ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-20 11:55 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-20 11:49 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-20 14:18 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 14:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-20 14:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-20 14:51 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-20 16:52 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-20 17:20 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-20 17:43 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-20 17:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-20 20:17 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-20 21:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-20 22:09 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-21 6:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-21 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-20 21:43 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-20 22:09 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-20 22:22 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-20 23:53 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-20 21:58 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-20 23:53 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-28 12:32 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-28 12:41 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-28 17:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-20 14:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-20 16:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-20 19:45 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-21 16:55 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-21 21:39 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-02-21 22:46 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-21 12:42 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 14:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 15:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-21 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 17:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-21 18:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-22 14:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-22 15:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-20 19:45 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-20 14:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-20 14:59 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 15:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-20 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-20 16:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-20 16:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-20 16:23 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-20 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-20 17:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-20 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 6:18 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-21 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 16:54 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-21 16:44 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-21 6:23 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-21 12:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-21 15:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 15:47 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-21 17:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 17:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-21 18:01 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-02-21 18:21 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-21 18:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 18:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-21 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
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