From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Would you say this information window is well designed? Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 18:00:35 +0200 Message-ID: <835z2ivknw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83o8gbvr4m.fsf@gnu.org> <84e3f5ab-436e-c0ea-39f1-2466f3227910@yandex.ru> <87im6jepft.fsf@gnus.org> <83eeh6vmg2.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3556"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Peter Dean Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 23 17:02:08 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lEa8V-0000j2-Qo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:02:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46634 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lEa8U-0002TD-ST for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 11:02:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60694) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lEa7A-0001tG-Fg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 11:00:44 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47241) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lEa79-00021K-1y; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 11:00:43 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3925 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lEa78-0005vS-8M; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 11:00:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Peter Dean on Tue, 23 Feb 2021 15:29:41 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265535 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 15:29:41 +0000 > From: Peter Dean > Cc: "drew.adams@oracle.com" , "stefankangas@gmail.com" , "larsi@gnus.org" , "dgutov@yandex.ru" , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" > > > On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 4:22 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > I suggest that you try using threads for such purposes. Because it's > > easier said than done, and IME this kind of jobs is not something for > > which Lisp threads, as currently implemented, are suitable. > > Isn't it a kind of async task for which threads would be ideal, provided > the thread takes care of yielding often to keep the UI going? In theory? Probably. But we aren't talking about theory here. > What is it in Elisp threads which make them unsuitable for this? What > kind of problems do you think of? There's no simple explanation, not in terms that would be easily understood, unless you are familiar with the implementation details. The best I can do is say that our threads don't yield frequently enough, nowhere near the frequency that you seem to assume.