From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unicode confusables and reordering characters considered harmful Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2021 20:49:05 +0200 Message-ID: <835ytajsv2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <875ytag0hb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgqmd5np.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <83wnlqk3rn.fsf@gnu.org> <72dd5c2a-42c7-b12e-05ed-e93adbd89727@gmail.com> <83ilxajyhw.fsf@gnu.org> <83fssejxf8.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26503"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: cpitclaudel@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 02 19:54:58 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mhyvw-0006fM-TE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2021 19:54:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45936 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhyvv-0001M5-S9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2021 14:54:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44112) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhyqL-00011H-6R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2021 14:49:09 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51280) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhyqK-00067C-Sc; Tue, 02 Nov 2021 14:49:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=eum1xQOwBXapnLBwWaRRlCGU6HpdnVPECy8ATvR9Xfc=; b=Xwhyr5cyo7ET l5glFcXFKIgseHD2HQ8+hjqz/n2Yzftt+h3TCCBv10zWPxd4bDnNTzNm8VvwfAC2ynff/oS3zpH2n jQZpNe/5ItWL5gHsYyNU7yX9JKWX4lD4W8au4IIoFUtZpyhR+WheUzlWCtC1Pb9m/EqciKHyXsg/B GDGakyH0drj0RXRR8MolQavCfoUI5rFsS1YTtOxLgTqvGi5eQp5EknyqVpT11VkZibESnu8X2iHuK tfgM7ydZpKgt9l5daObnYWVhqqB1oRdTm4XxiZ1YPnlSLnZ+ZyprYPfC9fznJUiGv47mJ0i9Sw1DV Vrt0ao0u8StPmH4N41LZ4w==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3537 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhyqK-000891-DZ; Tue, 02 Nov 2021 14:49:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 2 Nov 2021 11:43:18 -0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:278516 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 11:43:18 -0700 > Cc: cpitclaudel@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> > It does display them, look closer. > >> > >> I also can't see it in the screenshot, or in my local Emacs. Could you > >> describe what we're missing? > > > > I don't know what you are missing. How are you looking for them, and > > what do you expect to see? > > I expect to see some visual indication that the "formatting controls" > are there. As for how I do it, I just look at the screenshot, and I > don't understand in what way they are displayed. It looks > indistinguishable from text without such controls. You cannot see those characters on a screenshot, for the same reason you cannot see any whitespace characters on a screenshot: they are only discernible when you move cursor through them. Which is why I asked how are you looking for them. If you are looking for them in a screenshot, you will never see them.