From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: [PATCH] Package Installation in Tutorial Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2021 10:06:58 +0200 Message-ID: <835ys47pzx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <864k7ro07p.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21987"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Fleischer Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 04 09:09:33 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtQ6u-0005ag-TC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 09:09:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40912 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtQ6t-0002pi-Hd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 03:09:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56282) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtQ4e-00018W-PJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 03:07:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=52788 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtQ4e-0002Ah-7b; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 03:07:12 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=KU5/5yGcEZ8sY/eVIFIbcY8bTXIxGHX2WUVlFxE7D1I=; b=BF+VYqRNZIGG jYYCECN0Xr5OOah7aJlhmP6shLt6KeUc5jU1eHpc0YWuWpjcvpgGISUejjzdx1DVJQgDRRpcQUqKA xIQQB/Dd4ZxT5N8gRTNvx+43c+vLn4zPVErVFdhWAruWpOMu1bEp0dw3ThTHJKy4MTICyrO8FsqYE aI/jpDbdRzsPXjcaf81EX0utkYgzzRlMrEaZezu9BzITAtMr78PpK7R8WpJOqw6OI5YkIfywlpy1g 4r9J8H6VZM8stspGzvMGibF2owlqMSKeO4u1lvdT1M+KV9lMUtkJncbxf8SnyneP+FJiVm/FinTd6 10/Phc9Hl8cwLv+sF8bjRQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4720 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtQ4X-0005T5-Dx; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 03:07:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Daniel Fleischer on Fri, 03 Dec 2021 23:19:07 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280899 Archived-At: > From: Daniel Fleischer > Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2021 23:19:07 +0200 > > > I'm again asking what _you_ look to, as evidence > > that installing & deleting packages is something > > that first-timers really need, as part of our > > learn-by-doing tutorial. > > I feel like that's not fair. In the short time I've been here I was able > to see features being implemented which were NOT backed up by any > external data or polls (discussions here are not included). Moreover, > some updates were motivated by individual bug reports which is a sample > of one. Drew doesn't speak for the Emacs project, so don't be surprised when his views contradict the project's practices and decision-making process. He (consistently) opposes those as well.