From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 55f46cc77c: Decrease use of the word "Emacsen" in docs Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2022 19:39:15 +0300 Message-ID: <835yh3birw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838rlzbme1.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22648"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 01 19:25:03 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oegEZ-0005lf-KX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 19:25:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48498 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oegEY-0003qe-Gz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 13:25:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46738) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oefWS-0004PW-0P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 12:39:28 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60638) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oefWR-0008Sa-Le; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 12:39:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Z4ZMjsYk4L5VClhs5etgK96rFBEWvpC0Z4e0ck8J1T8=; b=rJZyTvMgAYa8 ogUf5nbTeiW69OgHynxr6MVSnVaA7R2Qni6GE1isewQ3CdEluEF4b4IkCiLmeB+V2+BNklAM9Ffgo dtfb/mcc3fecOfSjKQMrAUNAkyaR5oEVpLeDDCKh7vab0C5BtiZwqzVhdZU8uH3uMmftnnsqqXDN8 yc4Y8VCxfLHhB+uiIkxXCEcsNPia4/v1Pf1CwFYPD/7g2Fc09FNba7AfsFbZcSu1GLfe3gEEq0Svn SiZg6Yy9U0+IC6qD7ePTperZ1Zy96RWGmxk3BBA2mUlfc5cQTGczvYZldAc5FSdR6v/nvJpindlTg Djwhpcj6qpKL29nnUSyjEQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2549 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oefWR-0005EG-2K; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 12:39:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 1 Oct 2022 18:15:23 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296554 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 18:15:23 +0200 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > What's wrong with using "Emacsen"? > > When talking about older versions of Emacs, it's just jargony and > unhelpful. Better to say what is actually meant. This is too much. You are removing words we used for decades in Emacs development for no good reason. You think they are "just jargony and unhelpful", but for me and others this part of our culture and our history of involvement in the Emacs development. We treasure that history. Right now, I feel like a chunk of my personal history has been rewritten. There still are "other Emacsen" out there, even though most of them are all but moribund nowadays. But even if they were completely dead, the word doesn't have to be removed. It does no harm by just being there. I think these changes are misguided. They go way beyond the reasonable. Please don't do that.