From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Renaming eglot -- or at least add an alias? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 12:24:34 +0300 Message-ID: <835ygqg1bh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83pmfdduix.fsf@gnu.org> <86wn9ji3ma.fsf@gmail.com> <86tu4lsnqk.fsf@gmail.com> <8335c0p2fn.fsf@gnu.org> <83leproov6.fsf@gnu.org> <83fsfzonwn.fsf@gnu.org> <5a1e604c-4500-a476-da3d-259d9057a7f0@yandex.ru> <838rlromxu.fsf@gnu.org> <83h70dk3wf.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29309"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 11:29:08 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oiBZU-0007PO-MT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 11:29:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36676 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiBZT-00006k-M2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 05:29:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47086) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiBUw-0005l0-6L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 05:24:26 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42762) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiBUv-0007Tx-Tk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 05:24:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=qbo38Uf/PIWJyi5ohhtGVsiRMz+PRylfmmrT8RM//HE=; b=qK91qB63leel zcFQLnGY5hLpLpRaP76qFofltaOof7XIOQHJ+SPEuzAeZie68fXTjqB5Clew9uqwGoyB65j4d0lSQ XvVyRcjveUXW9UIJpfeK9WR0epakpfFzHPup86E/nD5k5/wjrMVlxiEKmEnTxk/hz2M6apxxYyC97 W+EkZXtlK2sVtOdDAe5pgeREDdFCcGB1M4vopVKwPqbw2Nr/PB9QE1bGcjMBoPIG4/gnebOXyl2jl HWcQhaTihTNM9d3Xq8y8SVJVuuj0T0Zlaqt5rBNn6Py3BoAHAiZBnOKVmCphthrPK5hLp5+MNoFa5 OXXWfh1G5tsWmsdfVICqZw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3298 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiBUu-0002Lc-WB; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 05:24:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Mon, 10 Oct 2022 18:05:36 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297464 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 18:05:36 -0400 > > > Not clear yet (to me). Dmitry says they are basically orthogonal in > > the features they support. > > Is this a coincidence, that different features just happen to be > implemented in the two? Or is it for some underlying reason that > is unlikely to change? They both parse and analyze the program source. > Let's suppose that they continue to be basically disjoint in terms of > features. Then we will never (or hardly ever) need to worry about > "Which underlying method to do feature F with?" > > So, do we need to offer users the option of enabling Tree-sitter and not > Eglot, and the option of enabling Eglot and not Tree-sitter? Eglot needs a server to be installed and started, so it will always require an explicit action. Moreover, a server supports one language (or a small number of them), so different ones need to be started if the project involves several languages. Tree-sitter activation could be more automatic, based on the availability of the language support. > > > If they are intersubstitutable, in principle, maybe they ought to have > > > the same user interface so that most users would not notice or care > > > which one is doing the job. > > > You are basically asking the same questions I did. > > Good that we are following the same line of thinking. > Could you show me the answers you got? I don't have any answers yet, which is why I posted the questions.