From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: kixtart-mode Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 09:09:35 +0200 Message-ID: <835yfjmits.fsf@gnu.org> References: <6061-636c2e00-95-57685e00@208106730> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26449"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 13 08:09:51 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ou77m-0006jX-ST for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 08:09:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ou77U-0007gQ-P7; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 02:09:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ou77S-0007dr-9a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 02:09:30 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ou77R-0000c0-O0; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 02:09:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=qQhB5hG+axH/NzgTyVPVQ6AB7dgZ3ngZRTKsrKPXfUs=; b=OnWRK2P7CI0s 6bZALMrIsaRvchTjXFQG0vU9oy8D/7kcZe3Gv2FYqvssusCjrZFobb8yGcGPBn025nNXBD8YzkLtK 7uWHb7cvaUj32foW8Ik6cAdd64puzTHbxMhKBA+fhtwfao2nQ+18IEcAwGBelbnFfY+5FrOdi/RWF paUbJVdXhC/Amqt/DbzEdo5VcutUiRLTWHWq+2M44TNeVJtBBz9/tQiGq7AwTqmF8TnvovxC7xMoq lKq5i4p5tihf2xp28hCnbk/QBn6zlsyxUyJQKDfGcUrvGz50E7g/8ZmkZxslXmrf6y7lh69LJzvou DMmCNF1ajlfTdI4E5d+CFw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ou77Q-00005Z-RC; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 02:09:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sat, 12 Nov 2022 23:18:26 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299707 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 23:18:26 -0500 > > Our general policy makes a subtle distinction between these two cases: > > 1. If a nonfree program FOO is not well known, we don't even mention that > it exists. Because we don't want to promote using FOO. > > 2. If a nonfree program FOO is well known and widely used, something to > help and encourage FOO's users to use some GNU packages along with FOO > is good. > > 3. Anything that would encourage the existing users of some GNU packages > to use FOO with them is bad. > > Is SickStart the main scripting language for Windows now? No. > BUT, it is a bad thing if people use SickStart to write scripts > that they could have written in a free scripting language. There are no scripting languages for MS-Windows that are Free Software, AFAIK. > Is there anything we can do to urge people to use Perl or Python > or Bash instead of SickStart? These are not native Windows scripting languages, and so are either unable to access advanced Windows features, or require a lot of additional non-default setup for doing so (and even after that they are unable to access some of those advanced features). > Why would someone, on Windows, use SickStart rather than those other > scripting packages? Does it have some major advantage, for use on > Windows? Yes, it has many advantages. (I don't use it, but I've skimmed the manual.) > Or is it that Microsoft is going to tell everyone that "SickStart is > the scripting language for Windows! KiXtart isn't a Microsoft product, AFAICT. > Maybe we can come up with a way to encourage people to choose some > free and portable scripting language, even when using Windows. One would have to be written first.