From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 17:34:42 +0300 Message-ID: <835y2xo1a5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <835y38qvlg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebyu5yx.fsf@gnu.org> <4684f43123d7dee59461@heytings.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8629"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 23 16:35:42 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1quw1u-00021Y-Be for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 16:35:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1quw11-0000mn-5z; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:34:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1quw0z-0000ks-Hc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:34:45 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1quw0y-0004Ws-UZ; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:34:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=TOqRnVrCBBMX5oNEqrx8ztFyB1dQ5N+CrFl2ymdNl8M=; b=rt26cV5lukqg e3F4phIVHXnfzaw9Hc1uarClMyzLMTIZPXtTYaIG6uv6sV4Ag9ieXVZWI37zbRll0myTP/WezEmpT 0slDW47Mc/BiaZvC+jbF5PpA4FtVk9UChOX74jwfiYPZ4a1B0s541AVwbNPgy4AEyy4MPW2CyAsRC ZfUtYG47WvAkXyUjqMx28xhYCZ5Euf2NaVGysepns3STCxPfa/kojGjOI70qx6V3In7zyBjeH0564 q21Lc1g3fOiTTcQaCVGA3CGXR6v6kSaMBTZPc6pZIcqXPoC9CK7NpvPMojYyHlAXvCJnlLwQIZCw+ QBdReTA+RdfPIMyMdAntCw==; In-Reply-To: <4684f43123d7dee59461@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:06:33 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311717 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:06:33 +0000 > From: Gregory Heytings > cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Pretty much everything loads cl-lib nowadays, for example: That's not the issue, from my POV. the issue is whether all these places load cl-lib for good reasons. If not, they shouldn't. Are any of these commands loading cl-lib without a good reason?