From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unwarranted invocation of starttls Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:08:29 +0200 Message-ID: <834nwfs0k2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83aa67s5zo.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325444929 19942 80.91.229.12 (1 Jan 2012 19:08:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 01 20:08:46 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RhQlx-0003cZ-Rs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 20:08:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54648 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhQlw-0004Ji-Jk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:08:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50704) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhQls-0004Jd-3s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:08:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhQln-0007dD-45 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:08:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:54369) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhQlm-0007Yh-Tx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:08:35 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LX400E00VQJMK00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:08:26 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.18.76]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LX400EY7VU16R50@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:08:26 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147131 Archived-At: > From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:51:02 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > My Emacs was not configured and built (on Windows) with GnuTLS. Nor > > do I need it to send email via my ISP's mail server. Nevertheless, as > > soon as I tried to send email after installing the GnuTLS DLLs and > > executables, Emacs said it is invoking STARTTLS to communicate to my > > SMTP server. Of course, this failed. > > What was the message exactly? Opening STARTTLS connection to `MY-SERVER-NAME:25' > Emacs shouldn't try to use STARTTLS if Emacs doesn't have STARTTLS > capability, of course, so I'm wondering where the message is coming > from. I think the reason is that installing GnuTLS binaries installs gnutls-cli executable on PATH. At least, if I remove all the executables and leave only the shared libraries, the problem goes away. > Could it be from starttls.el, for some reason or other? Looks like that, yes.