From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 05:36:47 +0200 Message-ID: <834msoqrsg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419219454 18053 80.91.229.3 (22 Dec 2014 03:37:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 03:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tom Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 22 04:37:27 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2toE-0004eN-D3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 04:37:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38975 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2toD-0003rs-Ol for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:37:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35366) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2to3-0003qN-QX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:37:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2tnr-0003p1-EH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:37:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:48872) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2tnr-0003oh-6D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:37:03 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NGY00500SJ4OR00@mtaout26.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 05:36:15 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NGY00OWGSOF8S50@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 05:36:15 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180461 Archived-At: > From: Tom > Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:32:13 +0000 (UTC) > > Users want to get the information fast and it is much faster to > search for something in google than trying to find the relevant > section of the manual. That's simply incorrect, if you use the 'i' command in Info, which is the main way of searching an Info manual. > The manual is great for looikng up again something which you know > where to find. E.g. what kind of text properties are there? > > C-h i -> m elisp -> g -> text properties > > But if you want to lookup something unfamiliar then google is much > more efficient. Give me an example of what you want to find, and I will show you how to get there faster than with Google. Once again, with Google, you never know whether the info you see is up to date or even correct. That's one definite advantage of looking up in manuals installed on your system -- you _kinow_ it's correct and accurate (barring docs bugs). > I wonder how many people read the manual from the beginning to the > end like a book. These days (when average attention span is very > short due to years of filtering through huge volumes of information > on the net) I'd guess not many. Irrelevant. Finding information quickly and efficiently calls for a very different kind of reading than when you read the entire manual.