From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unbalanced change hooks (part 2) [Documentation fix still remaining] Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 22:17:15 +0300 Message-ID: <834m62m5hg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20160811112951.GA2154@acm.fritz.box> <7e1478b6-cf00-fcbf-8c24-43bdaa57e2b6@dancol.org> <415d1cca-f32c-624e-a4be-9aadcf8a0f17@dancol.org> <83inujbpek.fsf@gnu.org> <20160830171222.GA6672@acm.fritz.box> <5857ab7e-e85c-c6ae-ba1a-b1337ae57f2c@dancol.org> <83fupmm9ul.fsf@gnu.org> <67e1e007-c944-b91e-6c4b-b06b51beddc1@dancol.org> <83bn0am91r.fsf@gnu.org> <83a8fum6wv.fsf@gnu.org> <63437198-6AD4-4505-B442-29BC588C2912@dancol.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1472584736 19456 195.159.176.226 (30 Aug 2016 19:18:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 19:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 30 21:18:52 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1beoYY-0004Ar-TB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 21:18:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50876 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1beoYW-0008DK-H6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:18:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54309) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1beoXV-0008Bb-4L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:17:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1beoXP-0001cD-TT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:17:40 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59724) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1beoXP-0001by-Pw; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:17:35 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2030 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1beoXL-0005cJ-Nr; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:17:34 -0400 In-reply-to: <63437198-6AD4-4505-B442-29BC588C2912@dancol.org> (message from Daniel Colascione on Tue, 30 Aug 2016 11:58:04 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:207001 Archived-At: > From: Daniel Colascione > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 11:58:04 -0700 > CC: acm@muc.de,monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Your text is silent on the relationship between the regions given to b-c-f and the ones given to b-c-f. It's not silent. It tells the reader specifically what assumptions are invalid. I think that is much more useful in practice than talking about conservative bounds, something that is more abstract and therefore more easily misinterpreted/misunderstood. > My proposed change tightens the contract between the Emacs core and developers and does it in a way that doesn't impose additional requirements on the current implementation. With the current imperfect implementation, I don't see how that is an advantage in practice.