From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Summary and next steps for (package-initialize) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:57:29 +0300 Message-ID: <834lsw94km.fsf@gnu.org> References: << <83tw12cocz.fsf@gnu.org> <83wp5xat6i.fsf@gnu.org> <2d035e42-006b-e76e-2b3f-75f2dfd87bb7@taydin.org> <58ac4c14-3f26-4b21-806a-aa2326ce3d2b@default> <98f114b6-191e-43f9-b505-9362b9382508@default>> <<83fucg99cj.fsf@gnu.org>> > <<83bmn496js.fsf@gnu.org>> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1503601123 17117 195.159.176.226 (24 Aug 2017 18:58:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 18:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: radon.neon@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 24 20:58:37 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkxKr-0003yK-FD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 20:58:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49971 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkxKx-0000sn-U9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:58:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45594) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkxKQ-0000sJ-AA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:58:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkxKN-0001Cw-9f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:58:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44576) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkxKN-0001Cq-6F; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:58:03 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1583 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dkxKK-000561-KM; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:58:03 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 24 Aug 2017 11:36:10 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217784 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 11:36:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: radon.neon@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > Just because a user has installed a package, it doesn't follow > > > that s?he wants to always and immediately initialize that package > > > for each Emacs session. > > > > Yes, it does mean exactly that. > > Too bad, if so. A user should, I think, be able to hit a key to > download a package and have it _available_ to be used, without > necessarily loading its files in each Emacs session. That's not how package.el works. Think of it as the Windows .msi installer: running it installs the package, and then activates it, so invoking after that boils down to running a command.