From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:17:02 +0300 Message-ID: <834kt9b0b5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <86blno9yle.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87d0845msg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h7xgjasw.fsf@yahoo.com> <875zdwjais.fsf@yahoo.com> <6a198677-41b6-4dbd-39d0-2b01550d53cf@yandex.ru> <32f6a2ce-e30f-059f-dcd4-233d666a10a1@yandex.ru> <87r1whiape.fsf@fastmail.fm> <87blnjopd0.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <83v9lregx0.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgguh9we.fsf@fastmail.fm> <83mu72ckjr.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8rhpeym.fsf@fastmail.fm> <83eesdb37v.fsf@gnu.org> <875zdpjhl1.fsf@fastmail.fm> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="113350"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Joost Kremers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 13:17:55 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwLC-000TNE-6Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 13:17:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60586 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwLB-0003ip-6D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:17:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59754) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwKZ-0002uJ-Vt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:17:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48510) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwKZ-0004j7-OY; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:17:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4198 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jRwKY-0003rA-M3; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:17:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <875zdpjhl1.fsf@fastmail.fm> (message from Joost Kremers on Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:36:43 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247690 Archived-At: > From: Joost Kremers > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:36:43 +0200 > > > On Fri, Apr 24 2020, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Unless I misunderstand what you mean by "Org syntax", I don't > > think > > users who want to create documents with Org should be required > > to know > > that syntax. Instead, there should be commands to help them > > produce > > correctly formatted snippets. Compare that with Texinfo > > commands > > which produce the various syntactic elements of the language. > > Yes, there are usually helper functions to do just that, though for > some things, it's easier to just type the markup directly. > (`*bold*` is IMHO quicker than `C-c C-x C-f * bold C-f`.) But once I > know how to create a heading in a text document I can use the same > command to create a heading in a notes file or an agenda file. Command efficiency aside, if such commands exists, then why would the user need to know the Org syntax which they produce?