From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPA policy Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 11:27:15 +0300 Message-ID: <834ksph5ss.fsf@gnu.org> References: <0c88192c-3c33-46ed-95cb-b4c6928016e3@default> <83zhaij4qn.fsf@gnu.org> <835zd6ihns.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7wphblf.fsf@gnu.org> <875zd57e7e.fsf@randomsample> <837dxlh77o.fsf@gnu.org> <871rnt7cbd.fsf@randomsample> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="42187"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Engster Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 09 10:28:34 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXKqW-000Ank-Tn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 10:28:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55718 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXKqV-0000t5-CC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 04:28:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45890) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXKpT-0007ea-MC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 04:27:27 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXKpS-0001iC-Sl; Sat, 09 May 2020 04:27:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3927 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jXKpR-0001Ds-Mc; Sat, 09 May 2020 04:27:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <871rnt7cbd.fsf@randomsample> (message from David Engster on Sat, 09 May 2020 10:16:38 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249374 Archived-At: > From: David Engster > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 10:16:38 +0200 > > You are right that it will be difficult if we decide a package should > become "core" and currently does not adhere to the Emacs coding style, > but frankly, we should be more worried that this ship has already sailed > far away. Many packages which are absolutely essential for a modern > programmer's editor are already only available through MELPA. Why is that a problem? We can never do anything to prevent people from concocting whatever packages they want and making them available for others. Nor do I think we should: this is, after all, Free Software: people should be free to choose whatever software they like that does the job for them. We can never control that, and we shouldn't try. > I also fully agree with Stefan that we should make it possible for > packages that have non-FSF copyright to be included. Of course these > packages could never become "core", but having them installable > throught GNU ELPA would be the next best thing. If we are going to drop requirements, then what will distinguish ELPA from MELPA? And what's the problem with having non-core packages available through MELPA, anyway? why do we need to have them in ELPA? This all goes back to my confusion about the relation between ELPA and Emacs, something I thought I understood, but now I conclude that I don't.