From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A more radical cleanup for make bootstrap? Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 19:21:18 +0300 Message-ID: <834jx2vwxt.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83bkraydzu.fsf@gnu.org> <2b1180d2e522e2571f09@heytings.org> <87pmfqlao9.fsf@yahoo.com> <831qs6xpbu.fsf@gnu.org> <875yhi3tw7.fsf@md5i.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15179"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Michael Welsh Duggan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 20 23:15:32 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oakaZ-0003oL-GO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 23:15:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37136 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oakaX-0002Kp-SG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 17:15:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50420) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oafzo-0003yw-1i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 12:21:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51564) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oafzl-00005B-5E; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 12:21:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=QrCjZ+U79WBVjEhCFrqEDfb5n3Jsx6cYh66cVP1NMG4=; b=qx/ZziRPAUdO ZUKmyJjATRKpKISD6pbVdZvpcewfTG6LcEAplsmJXaj4uU0BzmHsGIraYrL2e0FQ7vx2TgkHmy6pJ Gk9eUxXEecUoTCoWtg/NqXLyh5icrSt7qqsB6QLXSUvNelx/x3tVe/se4JUoZJ2cQgmfbwxeBkKCf LPNnUoNLyFIMpln3JkJRWRBkSP738NCAQsenV4YKrt+SeuLGKR+HfuCeCV17DKKI1Lqw3G/TzuKS4 8AGjbf2IG15LzJDOrt/xXLN4Q0R4kvbx1DP1+h+wbFEKQdjMlp+hjJkZmZKJpxlxYySUvrEzAcNHd /x6LO+l/aSvTFwV2du9ICg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4564 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oafzj-00016U-Nk; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 12:21:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <875yhi3tw7.fsf@md5i.com> (message from Michael Welsh Duggan on Tue, 20 Sep 2022 12:14:32 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295834 Archived-At: > From: Michael Welsh Duggan > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 12:14:32 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> What about me? > >> > >> It generally takes 10-15 minutes for me to build Emacs in ideal > >> conditions from "make bootstrap", with much of that time taken up by > >> building temacs. It takes longer when I am actually working on Emacs, > >> because that typically happens while my machine is already under load. > > > > Why do you bootstrap? > > > > I almost never do that. > > Personally, I almost always bootstrap. That's fine, but my question was specifically to Po Lu (and people who work on Emacs like he does), who builds Emacs much more frequently than you do. Your case is different, and the existing"make bootstrap" covers it well enough, AFAIU.