From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposing Addition of a BIDI SubMenu to "Options" Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 22:33:09 +0300 Message-ID: <8339hip9xm.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312400130 6915 80.91.229.12 (3 Aug 2011 19:35:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Mohsen BANAN Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 03 21:35:26 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QohDy-0007Jm-5B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 21:35:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46594 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QohDx-0005q4-La for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:35:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:48397) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QohDq-0005jR-LG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:35:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QohDj-0005vy-M9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:35:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:45671) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QohDj-0005vu-Eh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:35:11 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LPD00200ADO7E00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 22:35:10 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.94.185]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LPD00N7ZAEL5531@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 22:35:10 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142844 Archived-At: > From: Mohsen BANAN > Cc: Mohsen BANAN , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:23:09 -0700 > > So, if you and others agree that this is a good > time to put in place a starting point, then let's > do it. > > If you think it is too soon, then we wait. It's not too soon, although we must be cautious not to introduce too many new features, as the pretest is close. > Eli> I object to exposing bidi-display-reordering to the user level. It is > Eli> no accident that I didn't make it a user option (unlike > Eli> bidi-paragraph-direction). There should be no reason for users to > Eli> change this variable, at least not conveniently. > > In theory I agree. > > In practice I catch myself using that menu item. Because there are still bugs, and when we see a potential bug, we want to check if it's due to bidi. That's specific to development. But the menu bar is for the users, not for developers.