From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Metaproblem, part 3 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:45:03 +0200 Message-ID: <83388u4bps.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203193110.GF12748@thyrsus.com> <20141203215426.GA15791@thyrsus.com> <87ppbzplcw.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83iohr48kr.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417776324 3208 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 10:45:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: joaotavora@gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_T=E1vora?=) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 05 11:45:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XwqNt-0005no-Jk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:45:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49680 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwqNt-0000sw-9c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:45:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55285) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwqNa-0000sc-3H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:44:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwqNV-0000H0-5w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:44:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:43427) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwqNU-0000FG-TZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:44:49 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NG300D00UULR000@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:44:47 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NG300D63V6MR210@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:44:47 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178899 Archived-At: > From: joaotavora@gmail.com (Jo=E3o T=E1vora) > Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:27:49 +0000 > Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.= org >=20 > As you pointed out, mentorship happens on emacs-devel and on > bug-gnu-emacs. But also as you pointed out, a lot of effort goes in= to > questions only tangentially related to Emacs. >=20 > The proposed mentoring would be targeted at first time code > contributions only and administered by anyone with a reasonably sol= id > grasp of Emacs's and GNU's red tape. >=20 > >From my (limited) perspective this is frequently channeled to Stef= an, > who is really good at it, but is possibly overloaded. >=20 > So what is being proposed, or what at least what I understood from > Phillip's message, is that a new broad guideline is added to the to= p of > the contribution guide [1] reading something like: >=20 > "If this is your first time contributing to Emacs, ask for a ment= or on > emacs-devel first. A mentor can be anyone who has contributed to = Emacs > at least once, and will guide you through the instructions [linke= d] > below, as well as any extra documentation. He/she can also answer > specific questions about copyright assignment, version control, > changelogs, coding style, etc." OK, so how would this mentoring be different from what we have now? Does it happen in private email instead of on the list? If it's stil= l on the list, do we formally tell people stay out of the mentor/mentoree dialog and let the mentor alone handle that? Or is the only difference that a specific person will step forward and say he/she will be the mentor for a particular J.R. Hacker, and all the rest should stay as it is today? IOW, I have a difficulty translating the above principles (with which I agree) into practical steps that need to be made, to make the procedure different from what it is now. Can you please clarify? Thanks.