From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:42:56 +0200 Message-ID: <833887r8qn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834msoqrsg.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419263011 30958 80.91.229.3 (22 Dec 2014 15:43:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:43:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: adatgyujto@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 22 16:43:26 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y358n-00063Q-Pv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:43:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41011 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y358n-0002Cu-0g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:43:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38173) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y358f-0002Cl-CW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:43:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y358Z-0003GA-AS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:43:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:63452) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y358Z-0003Fx-1o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:43:11 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NGZ00G00PY57900@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:43:09 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NGZ00GGVQBX7D10@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:43:09 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180504 Archived-At: > From: Lennart Borgman > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 04:54:43 +0100 > Cc: Tom , Emacs-Devel devel > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: Tom > >> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:32:13 +0000 (UTC) > >> > >> Users want to get the information fast and it is much faster to > >> search for something in google than trying to find the relevant > >> section of the manual. > > > > That's simply incorrect, if you use the 'i' command in Info, which is > > the main way of searching an Info manual. > > That is perhaps more an opinion? No, it's experience. > I definitively think users who know Google search well can find the > information very quickly that way. And new users - who we want to > help, of course - probably are very good at that. You need to be good at both. One does not come instead of the other. A wise person will use each one where appropriate, and sometimes both. Please don't present this as an "either-or" situation. No one said that you should use either Google or Info. > > Once again, with Google, you never know whether the info you see is up > > to date or even correct. > > This is not true. You do not have to search the whole internet just > because you use Google. You could do something like this: > > Google: "site:www.gnu.org/software/emacs/24.2/manual/ some thing" > > If that folder exists there, of course. How do you know it does exist? And if you do know, how is this different from going to the same manual and using the text search (the 's' command) there? It isn't.