From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should we just start dumping cl-lib? Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 09:48:08 +0300 Message-ID: <8337xr2kpj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <560E0DA7.6080305@dancol.org> <87twq9ebmh.fsf@udel.edu> <83y4fl5qqi.fsf@gnu.org> <560F1F21.7080503@dancol.org> <83pp0w4dsf.fsf@gnu.org> <56107FCE.2070902@dancol.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443941314 24845 80.91.229.3 (4 Oct 2015 06:48:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 06:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 04 08:48:25 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zid5s-0001EC-LV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 08:48:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41441 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zid5r-0003pv-Q2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:48:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34668) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zid5n-0003nL-PZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:48:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zid5k-00078S-AE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:48:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:41114) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zid5k-00077R-2i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:48:16 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NVO00500O495S00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 09:48:14 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NVO0051YO8B4T20@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 09:48:12 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <56107FCE.2070902@dancol.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190847 Archived-At: > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Daniel Colascione > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:24:30 -0700 > > > Did you miss my further message where I said we should probably > > preload cl-lib, because many popular commands in a fresh session load > > it anyway? > > I did, sorry. Anyway, let's wait until we have a new maintainer and > release Emacs 25 before making this change, but it sounds like we > definitely want to proceed in the direction of dumping cl-lib. I see no reason to wait until Emacs 25.1 is released. The release date is sufficiently far away for us to be able to do that ASAP. > Trying to do it locally, I ran into a very weird problem: functions we > call at compile time, like cl--defalias, raise errors when called: the > bytecode vector ends up being the number zero instead of the expected > string. Turning cl--defalias and similar functions into macros makes the > build work, but it doesn't solve the real problem. If you have time, please try fixing this. Thanks.