From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2016 05:41:45 +0200 Message-ID: <8337s1tz46.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <64a52598-ad53-498c-993c-67d7827dbdfc@default> <838u1uuuau.fsf@gnu.org> <878u1um2xl.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457408528 10222 80.91.229.3 (8 Mar 2016 03:42:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 03:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 08 04:42:03 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ad8X5-0007YH-2W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 04:42:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59962 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad8X1-0001tg-1T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:41:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43992) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad8Wj-0001t2-RJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:41:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad8Wf-0003QH-Oj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:41:41 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58470) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad8Wf-0003QD-LD; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:41:37 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2192 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ad8Wf-00042H-0V; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:41:37 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:30:04 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201112 Archived-At: > From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen > Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:30:04 +0100 > > Nikolaus Rath writes: > > > When I submitted my first Emacs patch, I was astonished when I was asked > > to re-submit with my commit message essentially duplicated in the > > ChangeLog. > > And I think this is essential input. We are alienating contributors by > insisting on our weird (ok, "unusual") format of the meta data of the > patches. I don't think we are alienating them. The difference wrt what we request now is almost nonexistent. And it's not unusual to request ChangeLog entries, many projects do that. So the change I propose is not as dramatic as it sounds. It does fix a grave problem we have lately, and it will allow us to switch to more elaborate workflows in the future. > The ChangeLog is useful for some of us. But I would contend that its > usefulness doesn't trump all the contributors we have discouraged by > insisting on our quite singular submission format. It's not singular.