From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 19:36:30 +0300 Message-ID: <8337nmn2pd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87twg2g86g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83eg76n5h5.fsf@gnu.org> <87y45eeoor.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467823022 8067 80.91.229.3 (6 Jul 2016 16:37:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 16:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 06 18:37:01 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKpor-0004cK-4A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:37:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34829 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKpoq-00086A-Cu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:37:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60757) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKpog-00084Y-Bq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:36:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKpoc-0004p4-Ug for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:36:50 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37160) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKpoc-0004ou-RR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:36:46 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4639 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bKpoa-0000FV-2k; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:36:44 -0400 In-reply-to: <87y45eeoor.fsf@lifelogs.com> (message from Ted Zlatanov on Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:06:28 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205270 Archived-At: > From: Ted Zlatanov > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:06:28 -0400 > > ChangeLog-style formatting. Sorry. I was talking about the benefits and > reasons for having that specific format and the problems from when the > format is not followed (bad formatting, misspellings, etc.) What format do you suggest instead? The advantage of the current formatting is that we have Emacs features which support it very well. Any other formatting will have to grow a similar support first. And then we all need to re-learn. IOW, isn't this suggestion going to favor casual contributors over those who push commits day in and day out? > I was trying to say that using a pull request system would reduce the > need for writing every commit message as if it was going into a > ChangeLog, and would give better assurance that mistakes are caught > before they get merged. It has many other benefits (code review, > community feedback) but I was commenting specifically for ChangeLogs, > following up to an old message. As I wrote, I have doubts that we will be able to sustain such a system. Maybe I'm wrong.