From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Consistent vanilla Emacs Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:37:16 +0300 Message-ID: <8336814sbn.fsf@gnu.org> References: Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="96183"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, nicolas.rougier@inria.fr To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 15 08:38:39 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZTzT-000OxS-AP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 08:38:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40722 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZTzS-0003gx-Cg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 02:38:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34094) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZTyN-0002tL-Vo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 02:37:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52127) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZTyM-0003X8-NQ; Fri, 15 May 2020 02:37:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4147 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jZTyM-0000Mk-6V; Fri, 15 May 2020 02:37:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Fri, 15 May 2020 00:21:57 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250352 Archived-At: > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 00:21:57 +0300 > > > 3. We currently don't ship any fonts with GNU Emacs. Maybe we should > > consider doing that? It seems to me that many other applications do. > > Or maybe we should introduce a stronger set of default fonts for > > different systems. > > IIRC Eli said that we can't distribute fonts for our own use only, > whatever fonts are needed the user will have to install system-wide, or > put into ~/.fonts, at least. Technically, we _can_ distribute fonts, but doing so will inconvenience the users to the degree that I think we should avoid doing that. Installation of fonts on the system (with implied effects on other applications) is indeed that inconvenience. It is true that there are ways to make the installation local, but that is even more of the inconvenience, IMO. So yes, I don't think we should include fonts in our distribution. We could advise users to install fonts that we think will make Emacs look good, and maybe if we do that for some time, distros will start making those fonts available by default. But forcing fonts on users is not TRT, IMO. Right now, Emacs uses as its default font the font used by other similar applications, and I think we should continue doing that, so as to keep Emacs's text look as in other similar applications on the system.