From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 17:51:43 +0200 Message-ID: <8334xcwank.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkcbrgnr.fsf@posteo.net> <25924.21015.19614.951576@orion.rgrjr.com> <87bkc4jpja.fsf@dataswamp.org> <12da6bcb-1818-7fbe-12af-8d4607724332@gutov.dev> <87il6bt4z0.fsf@yahoo.com> <8734xetjkk.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cywhsrcf.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cywgx1z0.fsf@web.de> <83wmuowwp3.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18506"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, michael_heerdegen@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 11 16:52:45 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r1qHs-0004cC-Hl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:52:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1qH6-0006aP-3v; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 10:51:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1qH4-0006a3-FE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 10:51:54 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1qH4-00039J-5v; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 10:51:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=QQ80ue8GsPe5i9v+QS03QsxSmMbKPCXpozHvtTAT4VE=; b=duUq18+gTzuMcnDKT6jn Sc7xUuJUQs0uEGegqufOpl7fJyd2Vewpxn6JRlBOECULxzO5ZfsCgJR786A98MO9RfcxzwXkE0ZqF h4tAS15OA3NljLHBLzPFybc3R60WgHw/DlX4yWVCft9GRFPCuOncMMR3rRQSxXZy8Z6a4J/mggjwi W0uDkvj6AlYkxKSjAn+jctdVfnNUZyTdq+idW0GhXxVhTej1tT6cU/DQnTjjps8+VyJlKMNz8m5Xw LrAGlhf6AexuzJapqbi67LnsWOrh18I6Yj83mfT7WcQEHtGymeDNE3x2xjMd9OyXKTRyJMNEwFKNQ CaM80TN3vS9Txw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=B6llmann?= on Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:53:31 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312583 Archived-At: > From: Gerd Möllmann > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Michael Heerdegen > , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:53:31 +0100 > > I find it a mistake to make it something like a preferred interface. You, and everyone else, are entitled to their opinions, but we made this decision intentionally, and it wasn't made lightly. Before we declare it a mistake, I'd expect us to wait a bit, until some unequivocal data to support the opinions is available. It isn't like we as a project never made any mistakes, but there's no reason to assume this decision is one of them until we have ample evidence.