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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, sbaugh@catern.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Turning on savehist-mode by default
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 09:50:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8334w1l12c.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <s0djzpdpup8.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Sun, 17 Dec 2023 07:57:07 +0800)

> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  sbaugh@catern.com,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 07:57:07 +0800
> 
> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > Meanwhile, I see few drawbacks to enabling it.
> 
> Multiple, concurrent Emacs sessions will cease behaving in an orderly
> and predictable manner.  It makes little sense for Emacs to provide
> features designed to enable such orderly operation, such as lock files,
> while undermining them by enabling recentf or savehist by default, both
> of which overwrite files other sessions might've generated with their
> own.

Isn't this a general issue with saving any customizations?  E.g.,
saving options, saving desktop, etc. etc.?  Saving history from Bash,
GDB, etc. has the same problems, AFAIK.

And anyway, the problem already exists for those who turn on savehist
in their customizations.  If your usage patterns must avoid the
overwriting you mention above, simply disable savehist in your init
file, and Bob's your uncle.

IOW, once again: personal preferences should NOT affect the defaults,
nor are they too important when discussing those defaults.  Unless the
feature we want to turn on is buggy (in which case it must be fixed
first), turning it on by default cannot possibly cause problems we
don't already have.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-12-17  7:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-18 14:54 Turning on savehist-mode by default sbaugh
2023-11-18 16:33 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-18 18:19   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-18 21:06     ` Drew Adams
2023-11-18 21:42       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-18 23:01         ` Drew Adams
2023-11-19  6:02           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-19  6:56             ` Drew Adams
2023-11-19  7:05           ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-19  7:32             ` Yuri Khan
2023-11-19  8:26               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-19  9:06                 ` Yuri Khan
2023-11-19  9:24                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-19 15:09                   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-20  9:53                 ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-11-20 12:23                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-20 13:15                     ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-11-20 14:05                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-23 15:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-23 16:31                           ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-11-20 16:57                     ` Drew Adams
2023-11-20 18:34                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-20 18:54                         ` Drew Adams
2023-11-20 19:16                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-19 16:42               ` Drew Adams
2023-11-19 16:42             ` Drew Adams
2023-11-19 16:27         ` Visuwesh
2023-11-19 17:33           ` sbaugh
2023-11-19  6:59 ` Po Lu
2023-11-19  7:10   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-19  7:27     ` Po Lu
2023-11-19  8:23       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-19 14:08   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-19 14:38     ` Po Lu
2023-11-19 14:43       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-20  0:11         ` Po Lu
2023-11-19 15:17       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-20  0:09         ` Po Lu
2023-11-20  3:15           ` sbaugh
2023-11-20  3:40             ` Po Lu
2023-11-20 14:32               ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-20  5:55         ` [OT] Not clobbering bash history brickviking
2023-11-20 17:50           ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-22  3:01           ` [OT] " Richard Stallman
2023-11-22  3:32             ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-11-25  2:58               ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-26 10:20                 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-12-04  3:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-04 13:05                     ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-12-08  3:54                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-16 18:56   ` Turning on savehist-mode by default Stefan Kangas
2023-11-20  3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-20  3:16   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-11-28 11:04 ` Thanos Apollo
2023-11-28 14:11   ` Thanos Apollo
2023-11-28 14:38   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-28 21:07     ` Adam Porter
2023-11-28 21:46       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-29 12:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-01  1:50 ` Björn Bidar
2023-12-16 19:01 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-16 19:40   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-16 22:57     ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-16 23:57       ` Po Lu
2023-12-17  5:42         ` Adam Porter
2023-12-17  7:49           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-17 11:09             ` Adam Porter
2023-12-22 10:45               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-22 11:48                 ` Visuwesh
2023-12-22 11:52                 ` Adam Porter
2023-12-22 14:22                   ` Yuri Khan
2023-12-17 12:02             ` Adam Porter
2023-12-17  8:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 11:19             ` Adam Porter
2023-12-17 12:11               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-19  3:49                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-17 18:48           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-12-17  7:50         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-12-17 11:48           ` Po Lu
2023-12-17 12:26             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 13:31               ` Po Lu
2023-12-17 13:45                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 17:55                   ` Juergen Fenn
2023-12-17 18:09                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 19:51                       ` Juergen Fenn
2023-12-17 20:20                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 20:21                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-17 20:38                           ` Juergen Fenn
2023-12-17 20:52                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-17 21:12                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-12-17 21:16                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-17 21:47                                   ` Juergen Fenn
2023-12-17 22:22                                     ` Drew Adams
2023-12-17 21:55                                   ` Drew Adams
2023-12-17 21:57                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-12-17 22:34                                       ` Drew Adams
2023-12-18  0:47                           ` Po Lu
2023-12-18  3:36                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17  7:40       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 10:03         ` tomas

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