From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Further CC-mode changes Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 08:24:15 +0300 Message-ID: <831tra4y68.fsf@gnu.org> References: <53632C6F.5070903@dancol.org> <20140511211351.GC2759@acm.acm> <536FEA43.5090402@dancol.org> <20140516175226.GB3267@acm.acm> <537653A0.2070109@dancol.org> <20140518213331.GB2577@acm.acm> <20140912235948.GA4045@acm.acm> <20140913151055.GB3431@acm.acm> <87vboo2rgk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wq93ve4p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87egvb2kye.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410931499 20437 80.91.229.3 (17 Sep 2014 05:24:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 05:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 17 07:24:52 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XU7jW-0003zZ-En for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:24:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42128 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XU7jV-0007xu-RP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 01:24:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38067) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XU7jF-0007wr-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 01:24:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XU7j9-0007OK-Rn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 01:24:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:58990) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XU7j3-0007Lp-BR; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 01:24:21 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NC100G005E8CZ00@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 08:18:58 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NC100DSJ5FMY720@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 08:18:58 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87egvb2kye.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.180 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174397 Archived-At: > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 08:40:25 +0900 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > I think it's ironic that when it comes to the XEmacs support Alan > wants to provide, Glenn is all for "aggressive modernization" and > devil take the hindmost, but when it comes to the same policy toward > the git repo Eric wants to provide, he's the loudest of footdraggers. That's unfair to Glenn, and is evidently based on just 2 data points out of many more. So let me add 2 more from my failing memory: . Glenn also lobbied hard to remove the old MS-Windows configury (which I objected, and therefore it didn't happen yet) . Glenn suggested that the trunk relies on GNU Make, which did happen, and made many useful changes which that enabled I encourage you to browse the logs, because I'm sure you will find an overwhelming evidence that your conclusion is based on incorrect interpretation of a single incident. If you consider the inordinate amount of work Glenn personally invested in making bzr usage convenient in Emacs, you might come up with an alternative explanation to his alleged "footdragging".