From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 25.0.04: Feature Request: Make called-interactively-p's argument optional Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 22:31:20 +0300 Message-ID: <831t3ar01j.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83mvm2vglx.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467574322 24487 80.91.229.3 (3 Jul 2016 19:32:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 19:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andreas =?windows-1252?Q?R=F6hler?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 03 21:32:01 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bJn7Z-0007Wm-Cn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 21:32:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43860 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJn7Y-0006rg-Jy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 15:32:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36234) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJn7O-0006pA-NH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 15:31:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJn7I-0007lS-De for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 15:31:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39085) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJn7I-0007lO-Ab; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 15:31:44 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4938 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bJn7F-0002Xf-C4; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 15:31:43 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Andreas =?windows-1252?Q?R=F6hler?= on Sun, 3 Jul 2016 20:36:56 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205118 Archived-At: > From: Andreas Röhler > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 20:36:56 +0200 > > On 30.06.2016 17:30, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: Robert Weiner > >> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 10:25:26 -0400 > >> Cc: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel > >> > >> It would be nice if John and Eli could just make some final decision > >> on the interactive-p issue and then put that one to rest, whatever it > >> is. > > I have no opinion on the subject, except the general principle that we > > shouldn't back up on past decisions unless they are truly disastrous, > > They are. Once again, please back up your assertions with some clear-cut evidence. A disastrous decision should not be hard to show as such: just come up with a couple of examples where this decision causes a disaster. This: > This is another example from a couple of issues which went > wrong last years. > Code was made swollen up and complicated, simple solutions rejected. > > BTW a characteristic design-flaw beyond mentioned last days is around > use-region-p. > With use-empty-active-region or region-active-p it hardly comes to an end. doesn't even come close.