From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Towards a WYSIWYG word processing (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 17:09:38 +0200 Message-ID: <831sguppsd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83d10freh8.fsf@gnu.org> <83d10epu31.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1520521680 14206 195.159.176.226 (8 Mar 2018 15:08:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: johnw@gnu.org, daniele@grinta.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: John Yates Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 08 16:07:55 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1etx99-0003ar-6s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 16:07:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39522 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etxBB-0004oM-RF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 10:10:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46195) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etxB6-0004o8-4b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 10:09:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etxB5-0003Kz-5M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 10:09:56 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60856) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etxAz-0003IV-T8; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 10:09:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3887 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1etxAs-0001qJ-Ja; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 10:09:43 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from John Yates on Thu, 8 Mar 2018 09:54:43 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223503 Archived-At: > From: John Yates > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 09:54:43 -0500 > Cc: Richard Stallman , John Wiegley , daniele@grinta.net, > Emacs developers > > I agree that styles as exposed in MSOffice and vaguely copied in > LibreWord are not great. Quite the contrary. And I am sure that > many users of today's crop of word processor would concur. > > I was not arguing that Emacs should mimic that model. What I am > arguing is that those style models attempt to answer an actual need. And my point was that I can manage very well without using any styles. The reasons why I started doing that are mostly irrelevant to this discussion. What's important is that according to my experience, one can write reasonably well formatted documents without ever touching any styles. Which means that Emacs with advanced text-formatting features can be very useful even if it doesn't support style sheets of any kind. (Of course having styles would be even better.)