From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:39:07 +0300 Message-ID: <831ri22nsk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <1F8F3522-1E6C-40A3-B61A-B9B84FC0AD18@gnu.org> <87blh9gthg.fsf@gnus.org> <87tuv1f2y9.fsf@gnus.org> <83mu0s50if.fsf@gnu.org> <87blh8fm11.fsf@gnus.org> <83k0vv2xzt.fsf@gnu.org> <87pn5naro3.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32886"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 13 16:42:18 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kSLVK-0008TQ-0F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 16:42:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54264 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSLVJ-0001SS-1U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:42:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39380) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSLS8-0006CL-08 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:39:00 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36495) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSLS7-0002xi-Hq; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:38:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2183 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kSLS6-0003gp-PA; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:38:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87pn5naro3.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 13 Oct 2020 02:35:56 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257537 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 02:35:56 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> But... Now that you mention it, I don't quite see how to use :align-to > >> in the mode line (in general). It takes as a parameter the target > >> column number (or pixels), so if we want to say "this element should be > >> at least 80 pixels wide", then we need to know what column/pixel we're > >> on already, don't we? > > > > Yes. But that's how you design tabulated display, don't you? You > > select the coordinate where each column will end, and set tab stops > > there, right? > > More or less. But how would this work for mode lines? There's nothing > tabular about those, and they move around a lot. I think if we want to keep the fields in their places, we should consider the mode line to be tabular.